tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post3746294156248599895..comments2010-12-03T01:23:16.662-08:00Comments on Leclaire's English 10 Blog: Kite Runner Fishbowl: Chapter 23Kristin Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15076857976818237278noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-33867849713471706452009-04-27T19:17:00.000-07:002009-04-27T19:17:00.000-07:00Amir shows part of his character that he wants to ...Amir shows part of his character that he wants to good in this chapter. He wants redemption for all the wrong he has done. He feels as if he is responsible for Hassan's death and needs redemption for that in some way. He sees that redemption in Sohrab. He is hesitant to rescue Sohrab and mainly agrees to find him as "a way to be good again." Rahim uses Amir's guilt to persuade Amir to rescue Sohrab. <br /><br />It is quite interesting that in order for Amir to rescue Sohrab that he had to go through Assef. Assef says that if Amir makes it out alive that he earned his escape. This further shows that running away from your fears do not accomplish anything. Some time and some day your fears will have to be faced. Amir has to survive the beatings of Assef to save Sohrab. This symbolizes the pain that Hassan had to go through. For once it was Amir saving Sohrab, which was like saving Hassan, instead of Amir being the one being rescued or the one running away. Also Amir ended up with the split lips that looked a lot like the hair lip Hassan had. <br /><br />Also the phrase,"For you a thousand times over" is repeated throughout the book. This phrase was always said to Amir and when Farid says this to him in the hospital it is symbolic of Hassan's forgiveness to Amir ad of redemption. Amir stould up fro himself and for Hassan and Sohrab against Assef, who had not changed since their childhood.NowlanShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17729742011299972021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-80353797734626753252009-04-20T15:32:00.000-07:002009-04-20T15:32:00.000-07:00Hi,
I enjoyed reading your responses to my questi...Hi,<br /><br />I enjoyed reading your responses to my question on class. From this part of the world, class plays a very important role, in Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc. But the class levels are also based on religion and ethnicity (tribes, clans and families). While we in American tend to overlook class (a benefit of our individualism and the belief that anyone can achieve) we still have labels.<br /><br />A big part of the separation between groups in Afghanistan is the geography of the country and lack of development. There is one road that circles the country, called the ring road. In the north it is closed during parts of the winter because of the snow. The mountains tend to isolate the groups and add to the separation of classes. So one of the things that made American overcome, to a degree, the ability to blend classes still exits here - that is the development of the country. However, as many of you pointed out, the personal issues still exist and thus, it would appear there will always be "groupings" which tend to end up as class...as George Orwell said in Animal Farm, all animals are created equal, however some are created more equal than others (in that someone has to be in charge or chaos rules).<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Robrobdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572016145825656792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-53589783306506575562009-04-20T09:04:00.000-07:002009-04-20T09:04:00.000-07:00In an idealistic sense, a classless society would ...In an idealistic sense, a classless society would have its advantages. In theory, it would eliminate greed and persecution, yet we have seen that both of those are inevitable. With our capitalist system, an economic classed society is the natural tendency. Some people will get ahead and others will fall behind and nothing short of communism can stop that. Even then, as history shows, communism is unsustainable. As is such, for better or worse, we will have a classed society.<br /><br />However, often the larger issue is a class system based on ethnicity as you mentioned about Afghanistan. Obviously there, class is still important, though it should not and does not have to be. It is difficult to change people's history and do not forget easily. If the people really want change, they work towards it and generally achieve it. If the current democracy in Afghanistan is sustained, change will come to help the race issue, albeit slowly. Racial classes are still important only because they do exist and cannot be ignored.georgedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16059767895335996954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-25953995329363907062009-04-20T08:56:00.000-07:002009-04-20T08:56:00.000-07:00I think that class is still an important aspect in...I think that class is still an important aspect in one's life in all places, some more than others. Even though it's still important in society, it't not as important as it used to be.People everywhere are judged based on their class and that will never stop, but the differences between classes aren't as great as they used to be.KaleighDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02241595546400985108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-63329089533163280612009-04-20T08:55:00.001-07:002009-04-20T08:55:00.001-07:00I’m surprised that this is such a big deal in Afgh...I’m surprised that this is such a big deal in Afghanistan; I have always thought that I wouldn’t really mater there since it doesn’t matter here in America. I just have never thought of class being a really big issue.BrianWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17545130573018418128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-81986981176370498412009-04-20T08:55:00.000-07:002009-04-20T08:55:00.000-07:00I don't think the "class" labels are huge but they...I don't think the "class" labels are huge but they do matter. Classes also don't really matter because people can move up in their society in America, no matter how they look, or how rich they are or their parents were. In Kite Runner, Hassan couldn't move up in the social classes because he was a Hazara, but if he would have gone to America with Amir and Baba, he could have become successful and he wouldn't have to be killed for being a Hazara.annieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11873653857711743591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-44445378030772719152009-04-20T08:54:00.002-07:002009-04-20T08:54:00.002-07:00I disagree with the use of classes and don't think...I disagree with the use of classes and don't think it is all that important. The only thing that makes the system of classes relevant is the close-mindedness of those who participate in the system. If people would be willing to welcome everyone as equal they would realize that classes isn't the only, or the most satifactory way to live.nilechttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05633304626429688732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-42084950624664821792009-04-20T08:54:00.001-07:002009-04-20T08:54:00.001-07:00Just like in Afganistan, here in America we have l...Just like in Afganistan, here in America we have levels/classes too. Especially at school where people are judged on a daily basis. People judge on race, clothing, how much money you have, where you live etc. No matter how hard we try to stay away from this, I don't think it will ever go away.Macy D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/03811505550618405589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-81922391158375602952009-04-20T08:54:00.000-07:002009-04-20T08:54:00.000-07:00But, however, it doesn't seem like a huge deal in ...But, however, it doesn't seem like a huge deal in America anymore.RachelKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09217814187301104118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-41551508252478697682009-04-20T08:53:00.005-07:002009-04-20T08:53:00.005-07:00Yes I do think that class does determine how you a...Yes I do think that class does determine how you are looked upon. You can tell what class somebody is by the way they look and if you look like a lower class person than you will get treated like a lower class person if you look like an upper class person than you will get treated like one and you will probably get more respect than a lower class person. So yes classes play a very big role in today’s society.ddenton76https://www.blogger.com/profile/07895233555538755252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-70771665992734345012009-04-20T08:53:00.004-07:002009-04-20T08:53:00.004-07:00I don't think that class is as big of an issue. We...I don't think that class is as big of an issue. We have realized that everyone is different and that no class will be able to classify every single person. In America, people have realized that not one class is superior. However, I am not saying that we don't have people who believe that some people think they are superior. It is just not as common.Jake Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11443858815112755470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-89816832285490408732009-04-20T08:53:00.003-07:002009-04-20T08:53:00.003-07:00I think that in some places class is still fairly ...I think that in some places class is still fairly important but i dont think it is nearly as important as it used to be. There will allways be people who feel that others are less important and will feel that there should be clases. We will never be able to completely get rid of that. Even though a lot less people feel this way there will allways be some people who do.Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18379536724508083852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-8065674743888071362009-04-20T08:53:00.002-07:002009-04-20T08:53:00.002-07:00Class is a huge part of society; people are so clo...Class is a huge part of society; people are so closed minded that they will avoid people who don’t have as much money as them and can’t ever see themselves being friends will a poorer person. They don’t even try to talk to people with less money because they would be judged by their other friends and maybe even considered to be more like the poorer person.Shay Nhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13532130505753418714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-55591567198202071982009-04-20T08:53:00.001-07:002009-04-20T08:53:00.001-07:00I think class is a big issue here, the way the ric...I think class is a big issue here, the way the rich with huge houses are compared to someone with a rundown house, they would never be friends because the upper class usually think they are better than lower class. So I believe class is important.michellevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04869908961850211482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-86083476916857375612009-04-20T08:53:00.000-07:002009-04-20T08:53:00.000-07:00I think that social class has a little bit of an i...I think that social class has a little bit of an influence in the United States, but it's not a huge deal. For example, as a society, we frown upon homeless and poorer people, but we don't enslave them or hold back their rights. They have just as much of a chance to go to school and get a job or education as more well-off people do.allison thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09738268994665760222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-36732129293788423272009-04-20T08:52:00.005-07:002009-04-20T08:52:00.005-07:00Classes sadly are still a big part of our society ...Classes sadly are still a big part of our society and of high school. Many students tend to hang out with otheres who have around the same price of things but then there are exceptions as always. But really I don't think there should be any classes but I don't think the rich should be punished and the poor rewarded. I think we still need classes but classes shouldn't matter who you hang out with and who you talk to.Allie~Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17955986714682968559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-43728609675730056382009-04-20T08:52:00.004-07:002009-04-20T08:52:00.004-07:00I believe that class is still very important in ou...I believe that class is still very important in our and most other societies is very important.I think a lot of people pay way too much attention to the amount of money people make, and the way or places they were raised in and judge them harshly because of it. I think that though there are no formal classes ini our society, there are still the ones that people make themselves see.Liaphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05054355520677323189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-72561909963908974672009-04-20T08:52:00.003-07:002009-04-20T08:52:00.003-07:00I think that class is still somewhat important in ...I think that class is still somewhat important in our society today but more and more it is beginning to not matter as much. The only thing that really makes it important is that it defines what kind of life you live, where you go to school, how big of a house you live in, and in some cases what job you have. Although this is true America is one of a few places that there is opportunity here and no matter what class you are born into you are always able to make your life better and move classes.meghankhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07760611103064537272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-28216557401219022442009-04-20T08:52:00.002-07:002009-04-20T08:52:00.002-07:00I don't think that social classes have much of an ...I don't think that social classes have much of an impact here in America. There are some incidents in which upper classes feel like they have more authority than lower class, but it doesn't have a huge effect. For the most part, we treat everyone equally and with respect.Mark Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07545246628935335081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-62271225535822314132009-04-20T08:52:00.001-07:002009-04-20T08:52:00.001-07:00Class, in today's society, is present but is not a...Class, in today's society, is present but is not as repressive as it used to be. Classes still exist and will continue to exist, but here classes are not destructive to society and do not repress most people. Our society and all societies have a social structure and classes, but in today's society these classes are not as distinct and harmful as they have been in the past.NowlanShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17729742011299972021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-16963206896458550982009-04-20T08:52:00.000-07:002009-04-20T08:52:00.000-07:00I think that classes are still apart of our societ...I think that classes are still apart of our society. People steriotype and judge other people based on their social class. And it also defines us.Aaron H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/05540417993047344110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-68313315541625516732009-04-20T08:51:00.006-07:002009-04-20T08:51:00.006-07:00I think that class is still a big label here today...I think that class is still a big label here today. Some people won't be friends or associate with others who are a different class. Class is a way you live in a way and some people sadly judge by that. So I guess where ever you go there will always be different classes.AprilHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16695962487676484482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-69316000038884921862009-04-20T08:51:00.005-07:002009-04-20T08:51:00.005-07:00I think class is still huge in our society today. ...I think class is still huge in our society today. We all define ourselves as different people, different styles, religions, personalities, etc. However, class shouldn't get in the way of a strong friendship. Although, in Kite Runner, Hassan is looked down upon because of his class, it still shouldn't mean that him and Amir can't be friends/care eachother. In another way, I think Amir was also afraid of caring for and befriending Hassan because of his class. I guess it all depends on how you look at it that affects our actions.RachelKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09217814187301104118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-85000794134212505082009-04-20T08:51:00.004-07:002009-04-20T08:51:00.004-07:00Personally, I do not view social classes as being ...Personally, I do not view social classes as being extremely important in current soiety. However, I do believe that a person's class is still noted when encountering others.JeniChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08248100020404372736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7347117263762377354.post-85120944979081189012009-04-20T08:51:00.003-07:002009-04-20T08:51:00.003-07:00Social classes will ALWAYS be an issue no matter w...Social classes will ALWAYS be an issue no matter where you are in the world. Although it isn't highly respected, sterio types are common and still used to there full extent, if not more than they were 3 years ago.jamieGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13077710814376483559noreply@blogger.com